Your example is not a parallel however. In both of those bets, your initial risk of layout is the same.
And FWIW, Tiger at the PGA Championship returned just as well as the random club pro.

The lay bet is about more than just initial risk at layout. If I were there for one decision, then maybe I could see that it would be best to take a bet that pays more than the layout. But I'm not there for just one decision. I'm there for several decisions. And as such, my chances with the Don't Pass odds are superior to those on the Pass Line, even if it is just a little bit.
 
For every example, we can throw out the same one on the opposite side. Shooter makes a point of 8 with you on the DP. You want him to make the 8 or do you want him to 7 out with the house? Shooter is on the come out roll, do you want to see the 7 or Yo? Or do you want to see the 2 or 3 with the house?

Buddy, you can bet whatever you would like. It seems you are seeking validation of the bet rather than understanding what many are saying about it. Its cool, enjoy your bets how you choose, its your money and should be spent as you would like.

Indeed you can bring up examples on both sides. I'm just seeking to dispell inaccuracies about the nature of the Don't side, nothing more.

And I prefer not to be referred to as Buddy.
 
Seriously? Its just a term of "friend". I have used it on this forum for close to 5 years. I know you have not been around a lot or been to a THP event or anything, but there is no harm in the term buddy, I assure you.

I'll just bow out of this one.
 
you guys should just play War and smile
 
Aaaaaaaaaand, this discussion is now, no longer enjoyable.
 
work all the Hard Ways ($5 each) with a $5 big red. $10 on the line and and a horn high 12 for $10, let em go.........
 
Best odds on the strip is next door to the Venetian. I think that's Casino Royale. The 100x odds table has the lowest minumum. But, it also has the slowest dealers. Last time I was there, they were training someone. But, that was also day shift. When the sun sets, it is difficult to get a place at the tables, at Casino Royale. I've never been downtown, which will probably have the lowest minimums after the sun goes down.

Rio is awesome. Great place. Gorgeous servers. Shows going on around and above you.

Venetian is pricey. Probably the highest action needed to be recognized for comps.
 
Last time I was at Venetian minimum crap bet was $25, that gets expensive lol

Best odds on the strip is next door to the Venetian. I think that's Casino Royale. The 100x odds table has the lowest minumum. But, it also has the slowest dealers. Last time I was there, they were training someone. But, that was also day shift. When the sun sets, it is difficult to get a place at the tables, at Casino Royale. I've never been downtown, which will probably have the lowest minimums after the sun goes down.

Rio is awesome. Great place. Gorgeous servers. Shows going on around and above you.

Venetian is pricey. Probably the highest action needed to be recognized for comps.
 
I dont gamble anymore, but I played a lot of Craps. Played the Pass Line always with max odds and then two Come bets also with max odds.
Vegas Casinos? The RIO of course, because we will be there with 40 THPers next month.

All of this ^^^ except the don't gamble anymore part.

Craps is a great game, IF you play it correctly. It also has a ton of sucker bets that, while fun, can easily empty your chip rack.
 
The only time I play the middle is if I'm laying a bet for the crew. If the number is 6, for example, I'll lay a hard 6 bet for them....assuming, of course, they're all professional/nice, etc.
 
The only time I play the middle is if I'm laying a bet for the crew. If the number is 6, for example, I'll lay a hard 6 bet for them....assuming, of course, they're all professional/nice, etc.

This is always a fun and courteous thing to do, especially if you are winning. Too many people ignore the dealers. They work very hard and don't get paid very much.
 
Craps is a community game... EXCEPT for the don't pass guy. That guy ruins table momentum completely.
 
I always play the pass line, come bets, some times dabble in the field and always put something in the middle for fun. In Vegas, I loved playing at O' Shea's because the rollers were always fun and the tables were right next to the sidewalk on the strip. It closed down last year though, so that sucks. Rio and Mandalay also have some fun tables from what I remember. Haven't been to Vegas in a while though and now only gamble occasionally. Need to get back there.
 
I just learned this game today from a co-worker. If I understood correctly, the safest bet is below the pass line and should be double (or greater) than the pass line bet?
 
I just learned this game today from a co-worker. If I understood correctly, the safest bet is below the pass line and should be double (or greater) than the pass line bet?

Yes, the 'odds' bet should usually be as much as the house allows. 2x is normally the minimum.
 
I just learned this game today from a co-worker. If I understood correctly, the safest bet is below the pass line and should be double (or greater) than the pass line bet?

"Safest" is a little misleading (which where some of the disagreements in this thread come from). It is the "fairest" bet in the casino (not just on the table). Meaning the casino has no advantage; they pay the exact odds of the event happening.

Say the point is a 4, since a 7 is twice is likely to roll as a 4, the odds bet pays 2 to 1. Even though it's a fair bet, you're still twice as likely to lose as you are to win.
 
"Safest" is a little misleading (which where some of the disagreements in this thread come from). It is the "fairest" bet in the casino (not just on the table). Meaning the casino has no advantage; they pay the exact odds of the event happening.

Say the point is a 4, since a 7 is twice is likely to roll as a 4, the odds bet pays 2 to 1. Even though it's a fair bet, you're still twice as likely to lose as you are to win.

Yes, "safe" is a bit of a misnomer in this context. Your "safest" bet in any casino is keeping your money in your pocket. :)
 
Yes, "safe" is a bit of a misnomer in this context. Your "safest" bet in any casino is keeping your money in your pocket. :)
Where's the fun in that?!

I think there's an Einstein quote about the only way to beat a roulette table is to rob it :)
 
Where's the fun in that?!

I think there's an Einstein quote about the only way to beat a roulette table is to rob it :)

Nah, just bet your age. At least then you stop playing when you turn 37.
 
Nah, just bet your age. At least then you stop playing when you turn 37.
Never thought of that......

*slides across hood of car, squeals tires on way to riverboat*
 
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