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That was kind of the point.I think the struggle I have with pace discussions is there doesn't ever seem to be a happy medium. I believe this thread perhaps could have been a discussion about what that happy medium is but instead, it's the same cast of characters discussing how quickly they can play (likely alone). That's great because they obviously enjoy it and that's what it's all about but I would like to know from those guys where their 'happy medium' is for a foursome. There is no way that the 1.5 or 2 hours can be done with any amount of consistency on most courses unless first off and even then with a 4 ball that's very very aggressive.
Is it 3.5 hours? Is it 3 hours? Is it right at 4?
Thanks for the answer! I did figure that was your number based on the thread title and first post.That was kind of the point.
The happy medium should be no longer than 4 hours ever.
It doesnt mean people need to play in 90 minutes. It doesnt mean people need to play twiddle f**k down the fairways and take 25 minutes each hole. Its a pretty simple game plan that most course owners and operators we encounter think is doable with reasonable golfers.
Using an example, private courses in my two states are both packed with golfers. Yet very rarely would a round go over four hours. Its not a tee time interval. Its not anything other than being ready.
That is where I stand. As you could imagine, over 16 years doing this and traveling hte country to play with golfers I have studied this a lot. The 4 hour mark offers less waiting between shots, but virtually zero rushing by anybody.Thanks for the answer! I did figure that was your number based on the thread title and first post.
I also agree with you completely.
My 'sweet spot' is between 3.5 and 4 hours for a 4 ball. I don't feel like that is 'fast' but I also don't feel like that is 'slow' either. It does seem like a lot of folks in this discussion do feel like 4 hours is slow so I'm curious of their 'happy medium' as well.
I like it! I know you've had the opportunity to see many different golfers with many different skillsets on many different courses and situations. I feel even better about sharing that same opinion on 3.5 - 4 hours.That is where I stand. As you could imagine, over 16 years doing this and traveling hte country to play with golfers I have studied this a lot. The 4 hour mark offers less waiting between shots, but virtually zero rushing by anybody.
For me, at my course and the group I play with, at the times we play, my happy medium is 3:00 - 3:15 for a foursome. It's reasonable, not rushed, but not effing around and/or standing around waiting to hit either.I think the struggle I have with pace discussions is there doesn't ever seem to be a happy medium. I believe this thread perhaps could have been a discussion about what that happy medium is but instead, it's the same cast of characters discussing how quickly they can play (likely alone). That's great because they obviously enjoy it and that's what it's all about but I would like to know from those guys where their 'happy medium' is for a foursome. There is no way that the 1.5 or 2 hours can be done with any amount of consistency on most courses unless first off and even then with a 4 ball that's very very aggressive.
Is it 3.5 hours? Is it 3 hours? Is it right at 4?
But if they don't hole out (not tap0ins/gimmies) are they really playing golf? Or just riding along, hittin' some balls?Actually most new golfers I’ve played with are quicker. They don’t take 30 practice swings and usually pick up after a handful of shots and then try again on the next hole
I've NEVER heard anyone stuck in a 6 hour round say, "well at least we are enjoying ourselves."
If I wanted to stand or sit and do nothing for 10 minutes waiting for a group ahead on every shot, I don’t need to be on a golf course for that.There is alot of opinions on this subject , many who are here , are in private courses … and lower hcp and base some debate on what happens there.
I answered with respect to , the broader view , that is , not everyone is empathetic to etiquette or rules or expectation of play .
I think it’s very difficult to form a opinion , when looking through your own prism.
You need to as I say to my kids
“Widen your gaze and lift your horizon “
I don’t disagree with 4 hour target . What I did , suggest is there are many , influences that make it less than reachable.
I do say though that , completing rounds in under marathon pace , ( can’t understand why , you would , but equally there maybe higher life priorities ).
Is a strange goal. Sometimes dropping back a gear and , enjoying the moment is more , than the numbers on your card .
yes, I don't need to be on a golf course to sit and wait on someone for 10 minutes, but I'd rather be waiting on a golf course than waiting at work, or in traffic, etc.If I wanted to stand or sit and do nothing for 10 minutes waiting for a group ahead on every shot, I don’t need to be on a golf course for that.
Depends.yes, I don't need to be on a golf course to sit and wait on someone for 10 minutes, but I'd rather be waiting on a golf course than waiting at work, or in traffic, etc.
well you have a really freaking cool job so yes it's probably different for youDepends.
Never would have expected that.Recent surveys suggest that the number one reason people leave the game is because of pace. One would expect cost, but it was second by a huge margin.
Never said thatIf I wanted to stand or sit and do nothing for 10 minutes waiting for a group ahead on every shot, I don’t need to be on a golf course for that.
4 hours, and maybe a little over is normal in the Harrogate area I think. I've been a member at 3 local courses, a slow round is maybe 4:15 and I can live with that. If I were back in the US I probably wouldn't be playing. First thing in the morning was ok, but I had a buddy I played with that didn't like to get up early.....those rounds were 5hrs.....I just wouldn't bother if that was normal.4 hours would be considered slow at my home course, and that would be for 4 walkers (carts are not the norm here in the UK)
If 4 hours was the max expected time, it wouldn't bother me. My issue with slow play is when you are flipping between having to wait on shots, to then having a run of playing shots without waiting. If the pace was consistent without the stop-start then the total time doesn't bother me at all