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sleuth said:
I think you're thinking of blackjack. That game has the best odds if you know what you're doing.

Craps is pretty terrible. It's < 20% just to win on the initial come out roll. If you establish a point the odds get even worse since you just increased your odds to roll a 7 and lose. You have better odds picking red/black on roullette.
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Check those stats again Sleuth. Craps has the 2nd best odds in most casinos (generalization assuming that all games were played properly).
 
sleuth said:
I think you're thinking of blackjack. That game has the best odds if you know what you're doing.

Craps is pretty terrible. It's < 20% just to win on the initial come out roll. If you establish a point the odds get even worse since you just increased your odds to roll a 7 and lose. You have better odds picking red/black on roullette.
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One more thing to add to that. Red and black at the roulette table offer decent odds, but because of the two green keys are not all that great. Then you have to factor in payouts and why the odds are what they are. Craps does not have terrible odds when comparing to most casino games.
 
JB said:
Check those stats again Sleuth. Craps has the 2nd best odds in most casinos (generalization assuming that all games were played properly).
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yeah I seem to recall it being just behind blackjack depending on which version of blackjack is being played
 
JB said:
One more thing to add to that. Red and black at the roulette table offer decent odds, but because of the two green keys are not all that great. Then you have to factor in payouts and why the odds are what they are. Craps does not have terrible odds when comparing to most casino games.
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Right. When I made my inference above it was purely mathematical. No odds and payouts.

Odds against in roullette is like 1.11 to 1, with 1 to 1 payout. So if you look at it that way, then yes you're right.
 
mastapp said:
Are there any craps players out there? Do you play Pass line or Don't Pass, and why? Recommended Vegas casinos you prefer?
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Yes, I play craps....

No, I shouldn't gamble....

Play pass line with min bet, but cover the odds with as much as you can after point established.
Don't pass line pays the opposite odds as the pass line so it's not as good of a bet.

Favorite casino in Vegas is still Caesar's.
 
best odds in the casino are those huge "dollar bill" wheels on the 1:1 bet.
 
I've played A LOT of craps in my time and there are no ways to guarantee winning. you can hedge some bets but its a little math and a lot of luck. playing negative (don't pass) wont make you any friends. If you win I wouldn't be happy about it or you'll likely get an earful. there are theories like iron cross that in the long term may make you a little money. its all math and you need to understand that. pass line odds change with the number and its possibilities. I don't fall into crazy odds tables because they are sucker bets. Believe me its tempting but the money is made in the middle of the table. ill usually stick to 4x or 5x odds just for that reason. when the point is 6 or 8 ill go max odds but keep one thing in mind when you do that.. there are 5 ways to make a 6 or an 8 but there is 6 ways to make a 7. playing a yo or a horn bet have great odds and are fun to play but can be a parasitic drain on your chip count. one roll bets imo are purely for camaraderie with your buddies and get everyone excited when they hit. craps is a numbers game and you can win insane amounts of money fast and you can lose it even faster. you have to be spiritual when you play craps. negativity will always bring the table down. be happy , high five , hug, fist bump etc. etc. . if you happen to notice a cooler walk up to the table just tell the stick you're off the next roll
 
I really cant stand people who play negative. I almost always make it point to call them out and make sure they are embarrassed.
 
Zenger said:
Yes, I play craps....

Don't pass line pays the opposite odds as the pass line so it's not as good of a bet.
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I think this is a point of misunderstanding for a lot of players. It pays the opposite odds, true, but the don't pass event statistically has a much higher probability of occuring, hence the lesser payout.
 
bogeybrain said:
I really cant stand people who play negative. I almost always make it point to call them out and make sure they are embarrassed.
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You shouldn't take it personally. Don't players aren't playing "against" you, even if you interpret it that way. They are playing against the casino, just like you are. You have a common opponent, you vs. the house.

Most experience Don't players wouldn't be concerned about or embarassed by being "called out" by a Do player, either. Wager your money how you choose, they will do the same with theirs. Hopefully, we can both win some $$. It is indeed possible for a Do and Don't player to both win on the same roll.
 
mastapp said:
I think this is a point of misunderstanding for a lot of players. It pays the opposite odds, true, but the don't pass event statistically has a much higher probability of occuring, hence the lesser payout.
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Its not a misunderstanding. I understand (and most do) why the odds are what they are. Its still not a great bet in my opinion. Laying true odds in hopes of getting a payout when you are on the wrong better side is still putting out more than you will win for the only reason to hedge the bet on the come out roll which pays more than true odds making the wrong better have a favor.

Understanding it does not make it better or worse, its merely understanding it. If someone wants to bet $20 in hopes of winning $10 because the odds are better that they win, all the power to them. For most its a crappy bet for a number of reasons.
 
mastapp said:
I think this is a point of misunderstanding for a lot of players. It pays the opposite odds, true, but the don't pass event statistically has a much higher probability of occuring, hence the lesser payout.
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True. I just don't like giving bad mojo to the shooter or table either.
 
mastapp said:
You shouldn't take it personally. Don't players aren't playing "against" you, even if you interpret it that way. They are playing against the casino, just like you are. You have a common opponent, you vs. the house.

Most experience Don't players wouldn't be concerned about or embarassed by being "called out" by a Do player, either. Wager your money how you choose, they will do the same with theirs. Hopefully, we can both win some $$. It is indeed possible for a Do and Don't player to both win on the same roll.
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While the payer is the casino, this is not accurate. Wrong Bettors are playing against the shooter rather than with the shooter. There is no way around that. Again, nothing wrong with the bet, despite its name, but it is what it is. You are betting with the house (outside of 6s) that the shooter fails.
 
JB said:
To me Craps has always been a social game, where stakes are high, the high fives are everywhere and people win and lose together. The Wrong Bettor kind of sits back and looks away and seems to miss that part of it.

Now dont get me wrong, its certainly fine and people should bet with their own money how they choose. Just not for me personally.
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I agree with this...I take BlackJack much more serious, and actually hope to win, but Craps I have a certain amount I'll spend to have fun, anything I win is a bonus.

I agree with the Rio, one of the best casinos in Vegas, IMO. And I would have said that even if THP wasn't staying there.
 
JB said:
Understanding it does not make it better or worse, its merely understanding it. If someone wants to bet $20 in hopes of winning $10 because the odds are better that they win, all the power to them. For most its a crappy bet for a number of reasons.
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I guess this is just an agree to disagree topic.

FWIW, which is the crappier bet: 5-1 payout on Tiger to win the PGA Championship or 500-1 payout on a random club pro? There has to be a reason the odds are what they are.
 
mastapp said:
You shouldn't take it personally. Don't players aren't playing "against" you, even if you interpret it that way. They are playing against the casino, just like you are. You have a common opponent, you vs. the house.

Most experience Don't players wouldn't be concerned about or embarassed by being "called out" by a Do player, either. Wager your money how you choose, they will do the same with theirs. Hopefully, we can both win some $$. It is indeed possible for a Do and Don't player to both win on the same roll.
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I don't take it personally .. they can do what they want but I just let them know that their negativity is dually noted :)
 
mastapp said:
I guess this is just an agree to disagree topic.

FWIW, which is the crappier bet: 5-1 payout on Tiger to win the PGA Championship or 500-1 payout on a random club pro? There has to be a reason the odds are what they are.
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Your example is not a parallel however. In both of those bets, your initial risk of layout is the same.
And FWIW, Tiger at the PGA Championship returned just as well as the random club pro.
 
JB said:
While the payer is the casino, this is not accurate. Wrong Bettors are playing against the shooter rather than with the shooter. There is no way around that. Again, nothing wrong with the bet, despite its name, but it is what it is. You are betting with the house (outside of 6s) that the shooter fails.
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I am betting against the 4 and 9. The shooter just hit his point of 8 and is now on a come out roll. What number are he and I both pulling for?
 
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Any kind of gambling to me is just entertainment. I go in with a set amount of money (typically $150) and see how long it will last me. Sometimes its 4 or 8 hours, sometimes it's 20 minutes. When it's gone, I walk away.

Besides, I only get to do it once every 5 years or so.
 
I don't play it, but I say it nearly every time I golf.
 
mastapp said:
I am betting against the 4 and 9. The shooter just hit his point of 8 and is now on a come out roll. What number are he and I both pulling for?
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For every example, we can throw out the same one on the opposite side. Shooter makes a point of 8 with you on the DP. You want him to make the 8 or do you want him to 7 out with the house? Shooter is on the come out roll, do you want to see the 7 or Yo? Or do you want to see the 2 or 3 with the house?

Buddy, you can bet whatever you would like. It seems you are seeking validation of the bet rather than understanding what many are saying about it. Its cool, enjoy your bets how you choose, its your money and should be spent as you would like.
 
I play solitaire... vegas style.
 
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