The Gift of Tiger Woods

[the_paulo]

But they're not all equal. these types of player come once a generation. Jordan-Byrd in Basketball, Nicklaus-Palmer before Tiger, Maradonna-Messi in soccer. They're household names and the best at their craft, there is nothing like watching the best perform.

And the best on Sunday was?

I'm sorry, but I can't ignore every other player in the field just because some guy used to be good. :wink:

 

[Puttin4Bird]

I opened this up and assumed it was one of either two things based on the title.

TW opens up another wing in his foundation.
The Gift of TW can be cured by lotion and/or powder. (P4B said its itchy).

I was thinking antibiotics or Valtrex. The gift of TW keeps on giving!

You two really amuse yourselves don't you? Apparently you do, otherwise you, just like everyone else would realize that these tired comments getting recycled over and over again are old. But as long as you two have each other you'll keep getting mileage out of it.

 

[Hawk]

You two really amuse yourselves don't you? Apparently you do, otherwise you, just like everyone else would realize that these tired comments getting recycled over and over again are old. But as long as you two have each other you'll keep getting mileage out of it.

Somebody has to amuse us

 

[JB]

You two really amuse yourselves don't you? Apparently you do, otherwise you, just like everyone else would realize that these tired comments getting recycled over and over again are old. But as long as you two have each other you'll keep getting mileage out of it.

Yeah we should only have new threads about more articles talking about how wonderful TW is to the game. Sorry buddy, not everybody views sports in the rose colored glasses that others do.

 

[lcsmrtn]

And the best on Sunday was?

I'm sorry, but I can't ignore every other player in the field just because some guy used to be good. :wink:

Schwartzel was the best on Sunday, I agree, but he was not the best golfer in the field. By no means am I saying I didn't appreciate Schwartzel's play, but it didn't have me as excited as Tiger's charge and I consider myself a very avid fan of golf.

To a casual fan, Schwartzel will quickly be forgotten unless he keeps winning. For example, my brother golfs once a year and doesn't watch gofl but texted me on Sunday and said Tiger is amazing, I'm watching it right now. Betting he can't tell me who won though.

 

[All4's]

And the best on Sunday was?

I'm sorry, but I can't ignore every other player in the field just because some guy used to be good. :wink:

I think you just made his point. The best to watch?=Tiger, the lowest score?=a toothy South African.

Great article. I fall into the camp that can appreciate a guy's ability and completely ignore his transgressions. How else could I ever stand to set eyes on John Daly? Plus, if I had his money and power, I can't say I wouldn't have similar or worse habits. If I am honest, I'd say probably worse, but who knows. I can't make 6 footers for bogey, so i don't see me getting paid anytime soon.

 

[Tmex]

I'm sure a lot of us feel the same but it doesn't change what is going to be remembered. I'm sure once Charl puts up 10+ majors this one will be remembered right ?

Most of us represent the minority in how we view golf. Can't deny Woods still shatters the needle, unfortunate to Charl but it's just reality.

Also, I thought it was a good read. I agree with the role model comment but like Hawk says we can't control who our kids view as role models. They will identify with who they want and mimic who they want.

And the best on Sunday was?

I'm sorry, but I can't ignore every other player in the field just because some guy used to be good. :wink:

 

[Puttin4Bird]

Yeah we should only have new threads about more articles talking about how wonderful TW is to the game. Sorry buddy, not everybody views sports in the rose colored glasses that others do.

We know your stance on it, we've heard it. This is a golf forum and there was an article about the game's biggest draw that I found interesting so I posted it. You call me predictable, I knew before I even opened this almost exactly your comments word for word. You're like a broken record. Now you'll go search out a Tigger costumed kid and you'll post it in here saying it's me. Then some people will laugh uncontrollably like it was the funniest thing they've ever seen....since the last time you posted it Sunday. The article was a different look than what I've seen written, Simmons is a great author who tells it like it is in many cases and I found that to be interesting. You do have the option to just ignore this thread if you'd like.

 

[Hawk]

I thought it was fun to watch TW tear up the front nine and I really wanted him to keep it up. It would have been awesome to see him pull that off. There is no doubt that he can be very exciting to watch play golf.

 

[Puttin4Bird]

I thought it was fun to watch TW tear up the front nine and I really wanted him to keep it up. It would have been awesome to see him pull that off. There is no doubt that he can be very exciting to watch play golf.

Amen. I do think it's crazy/funny/odd how winning on the court/field/course cures all in a lot of cases. He had everyone pulling for him.

 

[JB]

We know your stance on it, we've heard it. This is a golf forum and there was an article about the game's biggest draw that I found interesting so I posted it. You call me predictable, I knew before I even opened this almost exactly your comments word for word. You're like a broken record. Now you'll go search out a Tigger costumed kid and you'll post it in here saying it's me. Then some people will laugh uncontrollably like it was the funniest thing they've ever seen....since the last time you posted it Sunday. The article was a different look than what I've seen written, Simmons is a great author who tells it like it is in many cases and I found that to be interesting. You do have the option to just ignore this thread if you'd like.

Really? Interesting path you have chosen here.
Some of us like humor as a way to diffuse what will turn into an "I want TW's kids" vs "I think he is the scum of the earth". Its a way to poke fun at a situation that is riddled with irony as a man that has fed us lies for a decade to sell merchandise makes his triumphant return to the grand stage.

 

[RxGus]

To me, that's a cop out. Of course a boy should have his Dad as a role model, and most will. However, young people generally pick a sports star as their favorite and watch everything they do on the course, field, court,etc. His off-course issues are one thing, but showing poor sportsmanship, especially when you bill yourself as a philanthropist and ambassador to the game, is low rent.

Do you have any clue how many fathers/parents expect the world to raise their children? I am not a bad parent, my child just has ADD. I am not a bad parent, the school system stinks. I am not a bad parent... I have a lot of friends who are teachers and a constant theme in my conversations with them is parents expecting the schools to raise their children.

Not having a child this is easy to say- but taking ownership of the relationship you have with your child is the single most important thing a parent can do, and so few do it. When all is said and done the kid may look up to an athlete and model that person, but it is the parent who interacts, one on one, with their child every day for 18 years. If the kid picks up tigers on the course mannerisms it is the PARENTS job to fix. If my child grows up to act like Tiger on the golf course, it is on ME as the parent, not on Tiger the golfer.

 

[Puttin4Bird]

Really? Interesting path you have chosen here.
Some of us like humor as a way to diffuse what will turn into an "I want TW's kids" vs "I think he is the scum of the earth". Its a way to poke fun at a situation that is riddled with irony as a man that has fed us lies for a decade to sell merchandise makes his triumphant return to the grand stage.

You have a different look and opinion on it than most people, most of us are sports fans and can appreciate the product that Tiger puts on the course. Sure his fits suck and the f bombs suck and his post round interviews really suck, but look at Sunday, everyone was drawn right back in. It was pandemonium at Augusta and for the first time in probably ever my wife actually watched part of it with me because of what was going on. You cannot possibly have any other player on the PGA Tour make that happen, unless somehow Nicklaus was going to win it at 70 something years old, that's it. That's the thing I'm looking at and the whole reason for posting this article, he is a once in a generation athlete that when he is playing well and especially at Augusta is amazingly entertaining to watch, even for kids and my wife who hates sports with a passion. My grandmother in law watches golf every week now, all from watching Tiger only at first and now she's hooked. You have said it yourself, people come out to watch and to talk golf when Tiger is relevant and good. Nobody once was trying to rationalize his scumbagedness (if that's even a word).

 

[Beowulf]

Do you have any clue how many fathers/parents expect the world to raise their children? I am not a bad parent, my child just has ADD. I am not a bad parent, the school system stinks. I am not a bad parent... I have a lot of friends who are teachers and a constant theme in my conversations with them is parents expecting the schools to raise their children.

Not having a child this is easy to say- but taking ownership of the relationship you have with your child is the single most important thing a parent can do, and so few do it. When all is said and done the kid may look up to an athlete and model that person, but it is the parent who interacts, one on one, with their child every day for 18 years. If the kid picks up tigers on the course mannerisms it is the PARENTS job to fix. If my child grows up to act like Tiger on the golf course, it is on ME as the parent, not on Tiger the golfer.

Well Stated!

On a side note, I am not a parent and in fact, do not like being around young(under 10) children, so I do not know, but is it unusual for a 3 1/2 year old to be still crapping his pants?

 

[golfanatic]

It's amazing to me how we, as a sports/entertainment-crazed society, are willing to tolerate boorish behavior among superstars. But once they fall from grace, their bad behavior is no longer acceptable. I think the public needs to be less fickle in its view of people who are in the public eye.

 

[the_paulo]

I think you just made his point. The best to watch?=Tiger, the lowest score?=a toothy South African.

On the contrary, I think you just made mine.

The channels sometimes give you only Tiger to watch. Maybe in my years of watching the Euro Tour, I've been unfortunate enough to have to make my own decisions as to what 'exciting' or 'entertaining' golf is. Chip in for birdie at 1, hole out from the fairway at 3, then motor through and finish out a major with 4 birdies in a row? Exciting to me. The guy who was the 'best to watch' went out with a whimper. Not exciting to me.

 

[Tmex]

So few do it? You say this based on what? A few conversations with teachers? Being a teacher is one of the hardest jobs in the world I believe, but I really question some of them that are out there. There are also other factors to raising kids. It's not always a lack of a parents love/caring/parenting skills for their child that equates to not fixing problems. I don't think it's an debate for this thread but while I haven't been a full time parent for years and years I have been the last 3. That is the hardest thing to do. Ever. It's not some formula you have that equates to having a good kid. It's just not. I'm gonna stop there though.

Go Tiger!!!!!!!!

Do you have any clue how many fathers/parents expect the world to raise their children? I am not a bad parent, my child just has ADD. I am not a bad parent, the school system stinks. I am not a bad parent... I have a lot of friends who are teachers and a constant theme in my conversations with them is parents expecting the schools to raise their children.

Not having a child this is easy to say- but taking ownership of the relationship you have with your child is the single most important thing a parent can do, and so few do it. When all is said and done the kid may look up to an athlete and model that person, but it is the parent who interacts, one on one, with their child every day for 18 years. If the kid picks up tigers on the course mannerisms it is the PARENTS job to fix. If my child grows up to act like Tiger on the golf course, it is on ME as the parent, not on Tiger the golfer.

 

[Tmex]

Can be. Would it still be funny if they had some medical issue that cause them to do so?

Well Stated!

On a side note, I am not a parent and in fact, do not like being around young(under 10) children, so I do not know, but is it unusual for a 3 1/2 year old to be still crapping his pants?

 

[JB]

You have a different look and opinion on it than most people, most of us are sports fans and can appreciate the product that Tiger puts on the course. Sure his fits suck and the f bombs suck and his post round interviews really suck, but look at Sunday, everyone was drawn right back in. It was pandemonium at Augusta and for the first time in probably ever my wife actually watched part of it with me because of what was going on. You cannot possibly have any other player on the PGA Tour make that happen, unless somehow Nicklaus was going to win it at 70 something years old, that's it. That's the thing I'm looking at and the whole reason for posting this article, he is a once in a generation athlete that when he is playing well and especially at Augusta is amazingly entertaining to watch, even for kids and my wife who hates sports with a passion. My grandmother in law watches golf every week now, all from watching Tiger only at first and now she's hooked. You have said it yourself, people come out to watch and to talk golf when Tiger is relevant and good. Nobody once was trying to rationalize his scumbagedness (if that's even a word).

You are generalizing the word "most" a whole lot in your statements. Because someone is an exceptional athlete does not give them a pass in my book. If it does in yours, that is all well and good. Tiger moves the needle. By the way so does John Daly to a lesser extent. That does not excuse his behavior at all either. Ali moved the needle like no other. Yet he was hated by just as many as he was loved. Being adored is not the same thing as moving the needle and for some reason many people seem to forget that.

 

[Puttin4Bird]

Well Stated!

On a side note, I am not a parent and in fact, do not like being around young(under 10) children, so I do not know, but is it unusual for a 3 1/2 year old to be still crapping his pants?

Nah, many 3 1/2 yr olds still crap their pants. Heck I'm 37. :laughing:

 

[Beowulf]

Can be. Would it still be funny if they had some medical issue that cause them to do so?

There was no attempt there to be funny, I just found it odd that he stated that in the article and I was genuinely curious. I am a Nurse and hold a BSN. I am familiar with a some developmental aspects of children, but I am not a Peds specialised nurse. Again, I just found that statement in the article to be unusual. Sorry for the threadjack, but not sorry for asking.

 

[Spaceman_Spiff]

Do you have any clue how many fathers/parents expect the world to raise their children? I am not a bad parent, my child just has ADD. I am not a bad parent, the school system stinks. I am not a bad parent... I have a lot of friends who are teachers and a constant theme in my conversations with them is parents expecting the schools to raise their children.

Not having a child this is easy to say- but taking ownership of the relationship you have with your child is the single most important thing a parent can do, and so few do it. When all is said and done the kid may look up to an athlete and model that person, but it is the parent who interacts, one on one, with their child every day for 18 years. If the kid picks up tigers on the course mannerisms it is the PARENTS job to fix. If my child grows up to act like Tiger on the golf course, it is on ME as the parent, not on Tiger the golfer.

Being a teacher myself and a parent I couldn't agree more. Even the older kids think this way with or without their parents help. When I got mad at some kids in practice the other day, they blamed me. It was my fault because I didn't tell the what NOT to do. I only told them what TO do. Even the "helicopter" parents expect society to raise their kids even with the parent hovering. You CAN influence who your kids role model is, and then from that, parents can also tell them in their own moral compass right from wrong within that role model.

I for one am a fan of Tiger Woods the golfer. I've said this before, the only reason I know he's even alive is because of golf. I have never seen him offer a parenting video, or sell me anything because of his family life prior nor would I have bought it anyway, because he's a golfer! His private life is exactly that and doesn't occur between the ropes.

 

[RxGus]

So few do it? You say this based on what? A few conversations with teachers? Being a teacher is one of the hardest jobs in the world I believe, but I really question some of them that are out there. There are also other factors to raising kids. It's not always a lack of a parents love/caring/parenting skills for their child that equates to not fixing problems. I don't think it's an debate for this thread but while I haven't been a full time parent for years and years I have been the last 3. That is the hardest thing to do. Ever. It's not some formula you have that equates to having a good kid. It's just not. I'm gonna stop there though.

Go Tiger!!!!!!!!

But while Hawk said the line was a cop out... saying that a sports figure will cause your child to grow up "wrong" (aka- having Tiger as a role model) is even more of one. Tiger never sat with your child at the breakfast table. Tiger never played a round of golf with your boy. Snookie never taught your child how to read, or disciplined them when they acted out of line.

To blame the outside influences of an athlete for your child's behavior is an absolute cop out. Take responsibility for your role.

Yoccos- I trust that you put forth the effort and the time needed to raise a child right. In fact, most every THPer I have met has their priorities in line with how they raise their children. I am consistently impressed by the members here. I also recognize that much of the world doesn't happen this way. Fathers neglect their children for all sorts of reasons, not the least of which is their jobs.

I am not at all doubting how difficult it is to raise a child, and how there are no perfect parents. I am saying that some don't put in the heart or effort that you obviously do- and still expect their kids to come out OK. Then, when the kids don't come out OK they blame TW instead of themselves.

(I 100% recognize that good parents can have kids go astray. I 100% recognize that bad parents can have children to go on to do great things. I am only presenting a majority picture)

 

[Hawk]

I don't think 'so few do it'. In fact, I'd say there are far more good ones than bad ones and I doubt anybody is blaming TW for their child being bad.

Do you have any clue how many fathers/parents expect the world to raise their children? I am not a bad parent, my child just has ADD. I am not a bad parent, the school system stinks. I am not a bad parent... I have a lot of friends who are teachers and a constant theme in my conversations with them is parents expecting the schools to raise their children.

Not having a child this is easy to say- but taking ownership of the relationship you have with your child is the single most important thing a parent can do, and so few do it. When all is said and done the kid may look up to an athlete and model that person, but it is the parent who interacts, one on one, with their child every day for 18 years. If the kid picks up tigers on the course mannerisms it is the PARENTS job to fix. If my child grows up to act like Tiger on the golf course, it is on ME as the parent, not on Tiger the golfer.

 

[Spaceman_Spiff]

On the contrary, I think you just made mine.

The channels sometimes give you only Tiger to watch. Maybe in my years of watching the Euro Tour, I've been unfortunate enough to have to make my own decisions as to what 'exciting' or 'entertaining' golf is. Chip in for birdie at 1, hole out from the fairway at 3, then motor through and finish out a major with 4 birdies in a row? Exciting to me. The guy who was the 'best to watch' went out with a whimper. Not exciting to me.

Shooting 31 on the front wasn't exciting? The possibility of the individual with the 2nd most majors all time contending on the back wasn't exciting?