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The uncensored workaround was a fantastic touchI tried to be polite.
I was being facetious with the apology. I apologize for not being more clear.Your handicap will properly reflect your potential under the World Handicap System. There is no reason for you to apologize for following the handicap rules of the WHS. I admit that while I tend to support the efforts of the USGA, the idea of projecting an 18 hole differential based on 9 holes seems a bit out there. I do not tend to play 9 but I will be interested to see how the system works when I do post 9 (or 13 or 15).
A lot of the guys In the mens league at my course get frustrated because it’s only 9 holes, and it’s played from the combo tees (a bit up for many of their regular distances) which means on any given week they can go all scorched earth on a 9.At the club we use Golf Genius for some events and it will post to GHIN. There is a Thursday night 9 hole 2 man which gets posted automatically through Golf Genius. So, I guess we are going to find out. I know some people are going to be WTF!
Open mind. Nice. Let us know how it works out.I mostly play 9 holes so I’m going to give it a try and see what it does to my handicap this year.
I don’t care enough about my handicap to care lol. I only have kept it up bc it comes with the club membership. If I was in any tournaments or matches at the club that used it I’d probably care a bit more.Open mind. Nice. Let us know how it works out.
Ah.I don’t care enough about my handicap to care lol. I only have kept it up bc it comes with the club membership. If I was in any tournaments or matches at the club that used it I’d probably care a bit more.
I am tending to agree that there's nothing noticably wrong with the new way GHIN handles incomplete rounds.In RI, the season does not start until April 1 and my Friday evening 9-hole league starts at the end of April, so I'll be posting 9-hole scores weekly. I'll report back when I start seeing results.
In the past, I've combined 9-hole rounds myself (we play alternating front/back 9s) by waiting to post. However last season, I posted 9s right away had a few 9s from my home course combined with a 9 I played at a completely different course. It works mathematically because of the rating/slope system but it always struck me as an odd thing to do. Frankly, I don't think the new system is any worse.
In case that comment was directed at me - and in the interest of keeping the conversation going - I will bite.The USGA has proven time after time that they don't understand basic statistics.
Combining consecutive 9-hole scores gives the same distribution of scoring as playing 18-hole rounds (assuming you play to the same level in both the front and back 9 which probably isn't true for most players but is a reasonable assumption since some will tend to be a bit better on the front while others will tend to be a bit better on the back). The new system results in less variance in entered scores which will mess up handicap calculations.
Quote from the USGA itself
JFC learn math. Combining two independent 9-hole scores produces the same amount of volatility as playing an 18 hole round (which ultimately is just two nines back to back).
- Combining two independent 9-hole scores often resulted in more volatility and was highly dependent on the order in which scores are combined.
In case that comment was directed at me - and in the interest of keeping the conversation going - I will bite.
Please explain the math to us morons that produces the same amount of volatility for independent 9 hole rounds vs complete 18 hole rounds under the following conditions:
1. 9 hole Round 1 played in nasty weather on a day where less than 8 people recored a round plus 9-hole Round two played on a day that has perfect conditions, ideal for scoring vs an 18 hole round completed in ideal weather conditions.
and
2. 9-hole Round 1 being played by a player in perfect health (feeling really good that day) plus 9-hole Round two played by the same player who is under the weather or recovering from an injury vs an 18-hole round played by that same player in perfect health (feeling really good that day).
Neither of those two situations seem all that far fetched.
I take it from your passion on the subject that you have recorded a few 9 hole scores this year and they did not produce the differential result you'd expect?
I've had the opposite reaction. So far I've recorded 7 9-hole scores and one 12-hole score - and the differentials that the system spat out all seem reasonable to me. I'm a high index player - so I'm seeing results that often are representative on what you'd see with a tale of 2 nines kinda round. I looked at the 9 hole rounds that a low index player friend of mine is posting and it seems like the system is more or less doubling his 9s to produce a differential. That makes sense as he's more likely to be more consistent.
I'm new to the game and I admit I have no idea just how badly the USGA has hurt some of folks in the past - but all signs so far seem to be that they are on the right track here. No dog in the hunt. I am sure that given time - they will wound me too ....
All I am suggesting is - give it a chance. Record some scores. Create data. I hear that folks who are super good at math LOOOOOOVE data.
Can't explain at a 5 year old level because even a 5 year old wouldn't buy a made up score being legitimate.Someone explain this to me like I'm a five year old...
Sunday I go 40/40 for an 80 and an 8.9 differential. Wednesday, on the same course from the same tees, I shoot 40(again) on the back and USGA makes it a 10.7 differential.
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9.9, course handicap on the back is 5. Front which I didn't play is 4.What is your index?
The system assumes that you will finish your round on the average of how all the people in the system with your index would finish the round. Looks like they think that on average, a person with your index will have a back nine slightly worse than your front nine.
I'm gonna guess your index is around 8-10. Am I correct?
Someone explain this to me like I'm a five year old...
Sunday I go 40/40 for an 80 and an 8.9 differential. Wednesday, on the same course from the same tees, I shoot 40(again) on the back and USGA makes it a 10.7 differential.
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Sounds about what I've seen so far. The closer you get to scratch, the closer the system seems to go towards doubling the one nine. I'm a 17.3 index. I'm getting results that would be equivalent to 40 45 for a 9 hole score of 40. You are getting more like 40 42 for a 9 hole score.9.9, course handicap on the back is 5. Front which I didn't play is 4.
Someone explain this to me like I'm a five year old...
Sunday I go 40/40 for an 80 and an 8.9 differential. Wednesday, on the same course from the same tees, I shoot 40(again) on the back and USGA makes it a 10.7 differential.
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